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Modafinil Experimentation

Published October 27, 2011 in Health - 18 Comments

I recently came across some information about a nootropic drug called modafinil while reading up on the dual n-back exercise as a way to increase focus and working memory ability – two things I’ve always struggled with in my life (at least I think so).

short-attention-span-adhdFor as long as I can remember I’ve always had a problem focusing, remembering things, staying on track, and avoiding distractions. I have a tendency to start and stop projects; to go balls to the wall for days on end, then suddenly get distracted and lost momentum. It’s kind of a predictable pattern when I look back in hindsight. So when I read about modafinil and some of the benefits, I was intrigued. Many articles promote it as a wonder pill for making you limitless (with the mandatory reference to the Bradley Cooper movie…..) and able to focus SO INTENTLY THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO CONQUER THE UNIVERSE!! Yea, I’m not really buying into that kind of hype. I was looking more at the various forum threads over at the brain health area of longecity.com to get a sense of what actual people’s experiences were. The modafinil reddit forum is also pretty good.

Lately, I’ve really been struggling with procrastination and lack of work ethic because of my tendency to drift from one project to another and never really finishing anything I start. That can really burn a person out. It’s amazing how dedicated I can be to a project one day and then be completely complacent in it the next day (yes, this also goes from minute to minute and hour to hour…). It’s a strange feeling to be working hard, yet accomplishing very little when your mind is going off in a million different directions simultaneously!

So anyways, modafinil looked enticing to me, even though I usually tend to snub my nose at the idea of using any type of drug, and it got me thinking about what it could actually do for me and if the benefits might outweigh the negative aspects of it (since all drugs have 90 seconds worth of gruesome side effects, right?). Aside from a few dermatological issues that seem to be pretty rare, there didn’t seem to be many common modafinil side effects from what I could see based on modafinil reviews from many people on various forums and review sites.

It’s not addictive from what I’ve read. The main danger that is usually highlighted is Stevens–Johnson syndrome, which is not exactly the most pretty thing in the world, but from what I’ve read it’s extremely rare.

Coincidentally, the main benefits of using modafinil also happen to correspond with the main symptoms of ADHD. Now, I’ve never given much credence to the notion that having a short attention span can be considered any kind of disorder, and I still tentatively maintain that viewpoint given my limited psychological expertise. However, I am starting to understand more about how the brain works and how certain neuro-chemical building blocks such as dopamine and norepinephrine receptors can get out of balance in certain individuals. I’m still uncertain about what causes these imbalances, but I’m increasingly becoming convinced that they do play a factor. Can you tell I have no idea what I’m talking about?

So, I’m going into this experiment under the pretext of having ADHD just so I can have a specific set of symptoms that I can benchmark against and monitor any improvements.

I’ve been scouting around looking for a reliable source of nonprescription modafinil since it’s difficult to get a prescription from a doctor from what I’ve read (the long-term effects are still untested, and the advertised usage is mainly for narcolepsy, obstructive sleep apnea/hypopnea and shift work sleep disorder. I’ll be using it for off-label reasons obviously because I don’t have any of those.

Unfortunately, there are a plethora of shitty online pharmacies out there. It can be really difficult to Weed out the bad ones just by looking at them.. A website can be extremely well-designed and have the appearance of being reputable, and be a major scam at the same time.

Luckily, I found a few resources on forums and other miscellaneous websites, namely this one from somebody named Gwern over at http://www.gwern.net/Modafinil. It has a breakdown of a large number of online suppliers of modafinil which gives the price, a link to their website, and also recommendations about which ones are the best to go with. It’s also a good idea to browse through forums for recent posts about which sources are good at the moment. Given that there are all sorts of customs issues and potentially shady business practices, it’s always a good idea to stay current and go with a source that can be vouched for.

After obsessively researching (hey, if I’m going to put a drug into my body from some foreign online website that I know nothing about, I’m going to be damned sure that I’m getting something legit backed by real users experiences!) I decided to go with the two top websites I’ve found to compare products. Nubrain.com and EdandMore.com.

Amazingly, I’ve already received my modafinil order from Nubrain (shipped just two days ago)! I’m not expecting my package from EdandMore for another couple weeks based on the reviews I’ve read about their shipping. To be fair, Nubrain is located in Georgia which is only a few states away from me here in Texas.

Here’s what I got from their sampler pack:

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modalert-100mg

Modalert 100mg – Made by Sun Pharma in India (popped this in my mouth as soon as I opened the package 🙂

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modalert-200mg

Modalert 200mg (I’ll try this tommorrow and see what the difference in dosage makes)

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modapro

Modapro 200mg – Made by Cipla Limited in India (this one is supposedly the superior brand according to Gwern)

Anyways, it’s been a couple hours since I popped in my modalert 100mg pill, and I’m not exactly sure what I am feeling from it just yet. Although, I have sat down and written out this entire article in one sitting in a relatively short amount of time, so I suppose that says something considering how much I usually hate writing!

All keep monitoring my progress and try to keep this blog updated as much as possible in my modafinil adventures.

 

***Update – 06/20/2014 ***

After a long hiatus from using modafinil, I’ve starting using it on and off again now that I’m going to school full time for engineering. A full-time summer schedule is proving to be pretty challenging, and it’s been kind of crazy so far. I need all the brain power I can muster. I’m taking trigonometry and precalculus simultaneously, which is proving to be extremely time and focus intensive. It’s not unusual for me to study from the time I wake up till the time I go to bed (which is pretty sad…I know…but it has to be done). The modafinil is proving to be monumentally helpful during these long study sessions.

The main issue is that if I manage to distract myself with something unproductive, the modafinil certainly doesn’t tell my brain what’s important and what’s not important. I still need to work on goal-setting so that I can stay on track. It’s easy to get lost in the sea of internet distractions, and the modafinil can make that sea even more vast by sucking your focus into it, so that is something to be cognizant of.

I’m taking 100mg, twice per day, every other day. I’m timing it this way so that I don’t overdo it, and on days that I have the least amount of classes so that I can sit down and crank out and much homework as humanly possible.

I’ve also ordered some armodafinil (an enantiomer derivation of modafinil which is said to be stronger and more effective). That should be here in a couple of weeks, so I’ll probably make a new post about my experience with that.

I’ve also been experimenting for the past year with another well known nootropic called piracetam along with a choline supplement to counterbalance the choline demands that come with these nootropics. It’s a much more subtle drug that is geared more towards increasing creativity and memory enhancement. I’ve been mixing it in with the modafinil and it seems to interact pretty well, and I’ve been getting some pretty good results so far – meaning ‘in-the-zone’ motivation, energy, and focus.

Needless to say, I’m much more open about the prospect of smart drugs than I was when I made the initial post having experienced it’s effects.[/fusion_builder_column][/fusion_builder_row][/fusion_builder_container]

18 comments

gwern - November 9, 2011 Reply

Glad you found my page helpful. If you were wondering what to look at, I personally am interested in how Nubrain compares to EDandmore, and also in how one’s sleep changes (eg. if one stays up a night, sacrificing 9 hours of sleep, does one sleep an excess hour or two the next night as ‘recovery sleep’?).

gwern - November 9, 2011 Reply

Also if you don’t mind, I’ll include the photos in the gallery: http://www.gwern.net/Modafinil#examples

    Paul Newcomb - November 10, 2011 Reply

    Hey there gwern, sure be my guest and use my pics if you’d like 🙂

    To be honest, so far I can’t really tell the difference between the modalert, modapro and spierx. Things have been a little turbulent lately with my business, so my mood has been up and down and it’s hard to really know if it’s from the modafinil or just the circumstances.

    I do know that they’re both affecting me in a positive way, although it’s much more subtle than I was expecting. Perhaps I’ll be able to tell the difference the longer I take them. Either way, I’m liking the way I’m able to stay productive when I take modafinil (a little too productive at times!). I’ll try to post an update later on.

    What would you say is your preferred brand? Or has it been pretty hit or miss in your experience?

      gwern - November 10, 2011 Reply

      Daytime modafinil has always been pretty subtle for me, one reason I tend to use them for all-nighters – much easier to tell.

      > What would you say is your preferred brand?

      Don’t have as much first-hand experience as I would like, but armodafinil > modafinil; Nuvigil > Waklert; Modalert > SpierX.

Dom - December 30, 2011 Reply

hey, any update on effects of modafinil? I ordered a sample pack from nubrain today as i have a lot of studying for exams to do in the coming weeks.

    Paul Newcomb - January 1, 2012 Reply

    Hey Dan, yes I’ll make a followup post soon. In a nutshell, I’ve been pretty happy with the effects so far, although there have been a few drawbacks. Mainly, it keeps me up pretty late, with a feeling of needing to get something done, even if there’s nothing to do 🙂 The best part of it though is that it generally keeps me from feeling apathetic and unmotivated.

    I haven’t been using it as much lately because I got back into drinking coffee (I know…bad habits die hard) and coffee/modafinil definitely don’t mix well. I mainly use it whenever I need to get something specific done and need a little extra motivation and focus.

M - March 3, 2012 Reply

Have you had any luck with mymodifinil.com listed on gwern’s site?

    Paul Newcomb - March 3, 2012 Reply

    No, I haven’t used them. The only 2 companies I’ve bought from are nubrain and edandmore. although, their modalert packaging looks just like what i got from nubrain.

      Lorna Van - June 8, 2012 Reply

      I’m trying to order modafinil from nubrain, put in credit card #, etc,etc, and got what looks like a form reply saying that “It will be about 2 weeks until we can process this order”.
      Since waiting 2 weeks puts us out of the option window if NuBrain falls through, I asked if there were other opportunities, and got this reply: “if you can send payment via western union we may be able to get product to you early next week”.
      So now I’m nervous. They clearly have product available, but not for sale via credit card? If I send money via Western Union, I have no recourse if they aren’t forthright in their business transaction. I asked for a phone number so we could talk, and I could build confidence that they are legit, but the reply was “do you want the product or do you
      to send emails back and forth?”
      What do you suggest, Dan?

        Paul Newcomb - June 8, 2012 Reply

        Well, I can tell you that I’ve ordered from them twice now – the first time went smoothly. The second time….not so much. I ordered two packs of modalert, but they only sent me one. When I contacted them about it, they said they’d send me the other pack. It’s been 2 months and I still haven’t seen it….

        With that being said, it is a legit product as far as I can tell. In regards to western union, that is a huge red flag. You don’t want to go that route unless you really trust the person on the recieving end (trust me, I’ve had a bad experience with WU and learned the hard way)

        I would personally insist on using a credit card so you can have some recourse if need be. Otherwise, I’d find another supplier.

          Lorna Van - June 8, 2012 Reply

          Thanks for the sanity check. I ended up ordering from Edandmore, who doesn’t take credit cards now…. Yikes, so many red flags today! Sent check via USPS registered to get Ed’s fastest service, according to their customer service rep by phone. Do you know what country the drugs are shipped from? “Time is of the essence” before a long solo boat trip.

          Paul Newcomb - June 8, 2012 Reply

          I’m pretty sure most generic versions of modafinil are made in India.

          Lorna Van - June 25, 2012 Reply

          Update: My order from Edandmore arrived in less than two weeks from the Seychelles. Slick as a whistle! I am sorry that I was such a skeptic. Product seems to do the job after a small test case of two different days dosages. Thanks for your help!

Greg - December 19, 2012 Reply

Second successful order for Modalert 200 (fast delivery) from MyModafinil.com received today direct from India. Packaging meets all descriptive criteria from gwern. Previously (last year and prior?) was purchasing Modapro from Nubrain without issue until they stopped offering it, and now offer only Modalert. I miss Modapro.

Illuminator - April 4, 2013 Reply

How it the test going?

I’ve been using Modafinil for about a year. It’s subtle but I like the effects.
I should note that I also take citalopram 20mg a day for mild depression and, for me, the combo is a gem!

It’s subtle like I said. I’m less fatigued during the day, except when I eat a huge lunch but that has always been the case for me. I’m less likely to want to nap at 2pm during the so-called “midday slump”.

I’m also more in control of my emotions. I can get upset but I can keep it from escalating into a full blown funk.

Anyway… good luck!

Illuminator

PS, I get my orders from http://thepharmacyexpress.com/

    Paul Newcomb - April 4, 2013 Reply

    I’ve been using it off and on for the past year now. I usually only take it when I know I need to really focus on something or get a lot of things done that day. There are some subtle side effects though. I lose my appetite, so I often forget to eat, which makes it difficult to sleep at night on an empty stomach. I also start to feel a bit moody too, especially when something gets in the way of me accomplishing things. I guess I could say I just have less patience when it comes to inaction. Like I said, these tend to be pretty subtle effects, but noticeable enough to not want to take it every single day.

John - July 30, 2016 Reply

I have been using Modafinil 200mg from New Brain for over five years. At 67 years old although in good shape I sometimes need a boost on a unusually harsh day. I take it early in the morning with a large glass of water on an empty stomach then eat breakfast 30 minutes later. I can then do physical work like a twenty year old and actually enjoy hard work. I once wrote a book while using it and had a good time doing that to. Am down to the last dose on a 50 pill order and after all this time (5 years) they are substantially weaker but I simply upped the dose to 300mg. It does lower the appetite but when you do stop to eat the appetite returns. Sleeping is not a problem. I highly recommend it. Also I bought through a prescription from my doctor 5 doses for $167.00 before ordering from Nubrain 50 doses for $150.00 for comparison. They are exactly the same. Nubrain makes a great product at a much better price.

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